Christians Here

[old man]

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[PETe P]

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by Outlaw Society\r\n \r\n \r\n Well, I\'m not bashing Catholicism, TRUST ME, but I find fault with it as well....... as I could with ANY organized religion. For example...... Catholic religion sees women as inferior, hence why they cannot become priests, altar servers, deacons, and the like. That\'s not fair. Also and I realize that NOT, I REPEAT NOT....... all priests are like this, but...... \n \nHow can I take life advice from a 70 yr. old man who molests little boys? The very segregation of a priest from family life leads to those sick compulsions. I think any organized religion will have it\'s flaws....... the best forum I\'ve found for personal growth and learning comes not from a church, but from roundtable conversations with other enlightened people who are ready to teach AND TO BE TAUGHT!!!!!!! That\'s where true growth takes place. \r\n \r\n

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i only bring up catholocism because it was force fed and truly the only religion i know so i can\'t comment on the the rest. very good points i can\'t disagree with your logic.\r\n

[old man]

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by PETe P\r\n \r\n \r\n how can u pass judgement on these people they are not bad people. \r\n \r\n

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that\'s what the bible is all about \r\n

[beardo]

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by Outlaw Society\r\n \r\n \r\n The old testament is........ yes. But that\'s my point...... even the Bible is a walking contradiction IF you take it LITERALLY. The two most famous quotes from the bible (aside from funeral psalms) are: \n \n1. An eye for an eye......... \n \n2. Turn the other cheek........ \n \nWe have to learn to read b/w the lines and think for ourselves...... following blindly literal religion leads to radical factions. \r\n \r\n

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#1 is under the old covenant before Christs sacrifice...
\n#2 is under the new covenant after Jesus died for us.....just as He forgave us we are supposed to forgive others..... that is my take on it anyhow!\r\n

[DerekS]

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by PETe P\r\n \r\n \r\n another big problem i have is also the isolationism of the catholic religion. example my father is a good man and a catholic but he can\'t recieve comunion ever again cause his wife cheated on him and he got a divorce or my cousin is to be forever shunned because of her sexual orientation thats a big how can u pass judgement on these people they are not bad people. \r\n \r\n

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\r\nPete, I while back I was interested in what the exact consequences are according to catholics when they get divorced.
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\r\nWith divorce, if they do it mutually where neither one commits aldultery than it is wrong according to the church. But if one spouse(your fathers wife) commits adultery. Than through the churches eyes its ok to get a divorce. Your father did nothing wrong and his wife did not honer the vows by commiting adultery. In return he is still able to recieve communion, but she is not.
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\r\nAs far as the sexual orientation. I don\'t believe in it. I think its wrong. Why would anyone want to be with someone of the same gender. But thats to each their own. I think it says somewhere that an individual can be that way. That\'s fine. It\'s just wrong when they act on it. I think thats how it goes but i\'m not sure.
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[NBstunter]

\r\n \r\n im "baptist" does someone really have to attent church and be "baptist" or "catholic" to be a chistian? dont get me wrong i believe in god and read the bible not as much as i should but i do and i try to do whats best in life and a "WWJD" reminder keychain on my bike has kept me ticketless so far this season. until i was 13 years old i was under no circumstances aloud to miss church, i fully believe in the quote "treat religion like your dick, dont show it off in public and dont shove it down your childrens throats" i think i would be much closer to god if it wasnt for the fact my parents where SO strict on it when i was young. i became a chirstian cause it was my parents rules/standards not because i wanted to know more about it.. for this reason i oftan wonder if i am indeed a christian in gods eyes.. i do want to learn more about it now but when i was young it was of no worry to me.. when your 5 years old having people tell you "you never know when life will end so say this prayer or ur going to hell" not in those words but thats what it meant to me.. thats not the way to bring someone to god. in no way shape or form can you force someone to be christian.. in my case it scared me away from the "christian church life" then made me wanna be part of it. i currently dont attent chruch due to drama.. theres sooo much drama about the pasters son spliting up with his wife and now she wont come to church and he has a fit when someone from the church hung out with her and blah blah blah its a small church... everyone knows everything about everyone and i dont like it... ive been thinking of going else ware.. but im to shy to go to a church someone didnt invite me to.. \r\n

[Juca]

[Outlaw Society]

OH.......... my goodness. It's official. JOEL!!!!!!!!!! YOUR ORDER IS UP BRAH!!!!!!!!

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catholic here

[Juca]

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Originally Posted by Outlaw Society OH.......... my goodness. It's official. JOEL!!!!!!!!!! YOUR ORDER IS UP BRAH!!!!!!!!

and i posted 1. in new section