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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by stick1300\r\n  \r\n I\'ve always wondered how this works lol It\'s like they get points for recruiting people to be JW and doing other JQ stuff, and whoever\'s high score gets them in the Top 144k get in heaven. The only problem is that then there are MORE JW\'s competing! And what if you\'re #144,000 and then someone that\'s still alive beats your score? Do you get booted out of heaven and the new guy gets your spot? Seriously... \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\nYa, some (read: most) of thier beliefs are absolutely absurd. The thing is, JW followers dont see that thier beliefs dont make sense! Im not one to knock anyone on thier faith, but I honestly cant stomach the thought of children being brought up, thinking this is how God works.\r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by old man roger\r\n \r\n joel im wondering what you would do if you were in crashdummy\'s position ?
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\nor if you showed up at a hospital with a big knarly gash that almost bled you dry and you needed blood to survive ? \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n \nIf there were no other options for me. Such as Hemopure and other forms of non transfuse blood. Which there are \nMeticulous operative technique, such as electrocautery to minimize bleeding, cannot be overstressed. Sometimes blood flowing into a wound can be aspirated, filtered, and directed back into circulation. #\nPatients on a heart-lung machine primed with a nonblood fluid may benefit from the resulting hemodilution, fewer red cells being lost. \n
\nAnd there are other ways to help. Cooling a patient to lessen his oxygen needs during surgery. Hypotensive anesthesia. Therapy to improve coagulation. Desmopressin (DDAVP) to shorten bleeding time. Laser "scalpels." You will see the list grow as physicians and concerned patients seek to avoid blood transfusions. We hope that you never lose a great amount of blood. But if you did, it is very likely that skilled doctors could manage your care without using blood transfusions, which have so many risks.
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by frayz\r\n \r\n I will just say:
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by joeltan\r\n \r\n If there were no other options for me. Such as Hemopure and other forms of non transfuse blood. Which there are \n \nThen i would say that my time has come. There is a much better life ahead of me. | \r\n \r\n \r\n \nIm just trying to understand.......you would use animal blood, but not human? Is that just because the (very slight) risk of BBP diseases in human blood? \n \nAlso, Hemopure is not approved for use in the US yet. As far as other alternatives....what are you reffering to? \n \nSo far, there is no real substitute for human blood. But researchers are working to develop a liquid that can carry oxygen and replace blood, at least for a short time, in certain situations. Products that are being tested include hemoglobin-based oxygen carriers and perfluorochemical compounds. They can do some of the work of red blood cells, such as carrying oxygen to tissues, but cannot replace the many functions that human blood does. Of the oxygen-carrying compounds that are being tested in U.S. clinical trials, none has been approved by the FDA as of 2009. Most blood substitutes are experimental and are rarely used. \n \nBlood Salvage, and volume expanders can be used, but there are several stipulations with these: If the blood is not salvagable, or if you need blood cells, instead of just expansion to keep from going into shock, being just a few. \n \n \n(Im in the medical field, so these discussions are interesting to me)\r\n
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\r\n \r\n Btw, to each their own!!! I just think its an interesting subject....I have no issues with someone who doesnt want a blood transfusion, for whatever reason. However, facts need to be stated, if youre saying there are alternatives.\r\n
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\r\n \r\n Twice in the book of Revelation mention is made of a group consisting of 144,000. In chapter 7:1ff John heard of 144,000 (12,000 each from twelve different Israelite tribes) servants of God who had been sealed on their foreheads. They were thus obviously redeemed people. Also, the apostle saw a “great multitude, which no man can number” out of every nation. These too were redeemed individuals who had been made white in the Lamb’s blood (v. 14). They had victoriously triumphed over tribulation, and they served God continuously in his temple. Some feel that these two groups are really the same people —just from different angles.
\nAgain, in Revelation 14:1ff, John saw the Lamb on Mount Zion. With him were 144,000, sealed with the Father’s name upon their foreheads. This great multitude had been “purchased out of the earth,” and they were said to be the “firstfruits unto God and unto the Lamb.”
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\nthe meek are those not of the 144,000, the earth (wouldnt have to be the one we are on) would be a paradise again and thats where they would reside.\r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by h2\r\n \r\n Btw, to each their own!!! I just think its an interesting subject....I have no issues with someone who doesnt want a blood transfusion, for whatever reason. However, facts need to be stated, if youre saying there are alternatives. \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n yeah, ive just been trying to research the things\r\n
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\r\n \r\n So, if there\'s only room for 144k can you replace people that are already there? Cause if so, ain\'t that a bitch!? You\'re just kickin in in heaven and some dude\'s like, "Hey, you gotta go. Steve here got more JW points. Sorry bud, see you in hell." And if you can\'t replace people, hasn\'t that place met capacity by now?\r\n
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\r\n \r\n joel i hope you never get a really bad cut ..\r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by old man roger\r\n \r\n joel i hope you never get a really bad cut .. \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n \nawwww, thanks buddy  \n \nand actually, I did once break my tib and fib, along with half a telephone through my thigh. And you know whats in your thigh, the femoral vein along with the femoral artery which is in the femoral sheath, and that was damaged. I lost blood but was able to regain. I dont know what procedure was done. But i didnt have a transfusion.\r\n
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