finally someone tells it like it is.

[big ben]

right...because Fanny Mae's mortgage profits have helped out sooooooooooo many people.
Goldman Sach's derivatives profits did sooooooooooooooo much good for the country.
US territory oil drilling did soooooooooo much for our land....

what wealth have corporations brought? exactly? Detroit...auto corporate hq......is doing so well after all

[Nappy]

H2, it's hopeless....

[B-Dub]

Ben, you dont know what you are talking about. in all those cases it was the government picking and choosing corporations to promote and support and allowing them to do dangerous things with the safety net of the government to back them up
what wealth? who the hell do you think the people of detroit (the ones who still have jobs) work for? corporations and capitalism isnt the problem it is the government interference in the free market that has caused the problems. it is the government taking us off the gold standard and allowing The Fed Res to run the show that is the problem. the government has been the problem and always will be. the only thing the government should be involved in is protecting liberty. thats it. that is all the constitution allows it to do. and now we live in a post constitutional society.

Lee majors, weather you like H2 or not, she is right. you either support liberty and justice, or you support a form of socialism and social justice. there is no on the fence or in between.

i urge you to read The Law by Frederic Bastiat. Legal plunder is socialism.

[B-Dub]

well, even a broken clock is right twice a day

[B-Dub]

actually you did talk about socialism. and asked what was wrong with it.

Originally Posted by lee majors

whats wrong with redistribution?the rich are getting richer exponentially.

that is socialism. thats the dirty talk of Occupy. if we want to get out of this corruption we need gold standard, free market, and government deregulation and to combat corruption in government via term limits and holding politicians accountable

[KY]

Originally Posted by B-Dub

Ben, you dont know what you are talking about. in all those cases it was the government picking and choosing corporations to promote and support and allowing them to do dangerous things with the safety net of the government to back them up
what wealth? who the hell do you think the people of detroit (the ones who still have jobs) work for? corporations and capitalism isnt the problem it is the government interference in the free market that has caused the problems. it is the government taking us off the gold standard and allowing The Fed Res to run the show that is the problem. the government has been the problem and always will be. the only thing the government should be involved in is protecting liberty. thats it. that is all the constitution allows it to do. and now we live in a post constitutional society.

Lee majors, weather you like H2 or not, she is right. you either support liberty and justice, or you support a form of socialism and social justice. there is no on the fence or in between.

i urge you to read The Law by Frederic Bastiat. Legal plunder is socialism.

Well said.

And it's true, but honestly the overall structure is fucked up. Big corporations have the means to influence government officials, so obviously yes they play a major role with the use of corporate lobbyists to do so.

This is a great read: https://ivn.us/2012/08/04/corporate-...hurts-economy/

Just as you said Ben, corporations are treated as an individual entity of its own. With that said, because of the lack of liability on the shareholders side, it becomes much easier to take more risk, and cheat the system. A corporations goal is to earn as much money as possible, maximize its profit margine, eliminate as much cost as possible. Basically think of it as that annoying little fuck in grade school who fusses over getting one wrong answer on a test he got a 98% on. They have no "comfort zone", they will always and forever seek to maximize and perfect.

With that said, the government should still be able to regulate this behavior, but we elect officials who are easily bought. Plain and simple.

[mart211]

Originally Posted by h2

Do you know the definition of a coporation?

You misspelled corporation there...why should we take anything you say seriously after that?

[big ben]

Originally Posted by B-Dub

if we took care of the political corruption and government intrusion on a lot of things, these corporations would "fix" themselves because then they wouldn't have the political control they have, and there are many ways to curb this corruption.

you have waaaay too much faith in corporations....the elimination of corporate donations, lobbying, or any policy incetivization, would cure corruption

every read the CU v. FEC decision??? of course not... its a recent case the gop brought to the supreme court that did away with lobbying and PACs by eliminating the need for them to be secretive in the first place....such large donations outside of the church (ironic huh?) werent done before Vanderbilt's (corporate) time....


ah detroit.........the utopia we all strive for......the epitome of corporate employed prosperity

[h2]

Originally Posted by lee majors

for the last time i didn't say anything about being a socialist. read back in the thread..the only one who said anything about socialism was that wacky h2 broad. bitch constantly jumps the gun and puts words in peoples mouths.

See now, you did. It's pretty obvious I'm not "wacky", but instead I'm a proud, INFORMED, American who you can't work over with your bullshit. And I'm not afraid to debate hot issues that you obviously know very little about. That's what pissed you off. This "bitch" didn't jump anything, and instead pointed out that your hero here is a known socialist and that redistribution of wealth is a core socialist idea. Then you bounced back with "what's wrong with that??!" So that's you "not talking about" socialism?

Call me a bitch all you want, cause it's true. Especially when people like you want to further tear apart the fabric of our nation, by promoting socialist ideas.

Now go cry about your shitty life in the postwhore thread, or better yet, go borrow some more government money that you are betting you "won't have to pay back for long", to go to school at the ripe ol' age of 40 something, because you're not being paid inflated union wages anymore and you have no real talent. Speaking of, I wonder if you sang this same tune while you were taking those union wages?

[h2]

Originally Posted by mart211

You misspelled corporation there...why should we take anything you say seriously after that?

I lol'd