Tandem Drama....

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by Mikey SBF\r\n \r\n \r\n So much to say, but Thomas has banned me from talking about tandem online \r\n \r\n

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by thomas\r\n \r\n \r\n jesse toler definately gets a lot of credit.. once again.. thats only reinforcing my point \n \n \nwhats wrong with RAY RAY? \r\n \r\n

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\nHe sucks at announcing and should never be allowed to announce again. He is either A. semi-retarded or B. severly A.D.D.
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\nYou would think someone who has been in the game as long as he has would not have the issues he had.
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\nEveryone I have talked to has said the very same thing, he sucks!\r\n

[BILLD]

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by Brit-a-tit-tit\r\n \r\n \r\n Disclaimer: I love Bill and Destiny to death, I think they do some amazing things on and off the bike. I think they are great people, and they have proven to me that they are good friends... helped me out when my bike was down and gave me a place to sleep for a few nights last October. Not to mention lots of good memories and laughs. Bill and Dee, you know where I stand. Please take this post as constructive rather than negative. If you can\'t see my side and think I am a total idiot for what I have to say, TELL ME... I hate that you ignored me after SW because I told you the TRUTH as your FRIEND. If you wanna use this as a reason to disown me, I understand, and I wish you the best of luck for the rest of your careers. Your Dad still has my bike, so obviously, I hold you in high regard as a person, and don\'t think that MY baby is in jeopardy by replying to your post on this forum. With that said, I will explain to you why I said the judging at SW is garbage and that I didn\'t think you and Dee rode any better than Brit and Adam or Ken and Brandy. \n \n \n*I can\'t believe Thomas didn\'t check his facts before he posted up about the "sickest stoppies in the game" scenario. \n \nFirst of all, Ken has placed 4th in longest stoppie at Stuntwars for 2 years running. Most recently, his run was only 80 ft BEHIND Bill\'s (385 ft). Not saying that Bill doesn\'t have amazing stoppies, but Ken\'s aren\'t anywhere close to being only 100 ft and below balance point. So from that info alone, Ken should be able to compete against Bill fair and square according to Thomas. \n \nSecondly, Bill, you guys are "undisputed" for 2 years because you didn\'t even compete as a team in June of 2007 and January of 2008. Destiny was too hurt from crashing during PRACTICING TANDEM for you to ride last January. Funny how Ray Ray still somehow announced that you and Destiny were the 2008 Stuntwars tandem champions and NO ONE even bothered to correct him. When I said something about it to Ray Ray, he didn\'t even respond! No biggie.... but when credit is deserved, you would be upset too if they didn\'t give it to YOU. \n \nThird, Bill, you were the FIRST person to start complaining about politics and bitching about judging when you found out that they (Stuntwars) had given the win to ZOLTAN..... you threw a small fit in front of all the riders! How is that different than someone calling the politics behind tandem "garbage" in a very public manner so that EVERYONE knew how she felt? The SAME JUDGES AND POLITICS that gave Zoltan the win, and you think I am wrong for saying that they do the same thing during tandem? \n \nWhy did Joel and Kelly get to use a prop when they clearly stated NO PROPS in the rider meeting? Why do you get to hit rev limiter several times during your run while your rear tire is on the ground and not get disqualified? Why are there no SCORES posted on the SW website for the tandem results? BECAUSE ITS ALL BULL! \n \nNo, I don\'t think you and Destiny rode better than Adam and Brittany OR Ken and Brandy last Sunday. Regardless of whether you have the "most difficult" tricks, you still have to EXECUTE them correctly or you should NOT get full points for them! Unfortunately, the main reason I was dissappointed with your run is because it was the SAME run I watched you do in October and win. Do you forget that I was the one who applauded the idea to park the rear tire on the wall with Dee on the back? That was great! But you missed the wall in your run last week, and you also missed your killer 270 stoppie that you usually do with her on the back as well. Your switchback stoppie came off the ground for a split second and it was nothing close to what you do on your own. I am sure you would have nailed the whole run if you both had PRACTICED TOGETHER. \n \nPart of being a professional at the top of his game includes continuing to practice and step it up... you have done the same run with Destiny for a year! Switch it up! And saying that you don\'t feel the need to practice shows us that maybe you really are confused about what it takes to win a FAIR FIGHT. I am a firm believer in the saying, "No one truly deserves anything they aren\'t willing to work for." So I am glad you guys are going to practice instead of just doing the same old routine, we want and expect more from you (at least I do)! \n \nPlease tell me why combo circles with BOTH riders transitioning on the bike is less difficult than doing standup circles while your partner does that "silly flamingo" you were bashing earlier? Did you even watch Ken and Brandy or Adam and Brittany\'s run? Ken does foot-in-bar circles while Brandy transitions from frogger to tank spreader to seat stander while HE transitions to Ralph Louie. THAT\'S SICK! \n \nYes, Ken and Brandy\'s bike hit the ground. During a transition. They still hit all their tricks nearly flawlessly. That means they should have only lost 5 points total for their drop. Brandy did her own burnout. Yes, Dee does a wheelie, but you still control the rear brake. Brandy also does her own zeros with and without Ken as a passenger. And it\'s only going to get better. I can\'t wait to see what D can do on her own, I have been excited about it for a whole year, ever since she has been talking about practicing on her own. \n \nI seriously believe you need to take a long look in the mirror and re-evaluate WHY you ride tandem. Destiny is always saying "we need the money" and it is making us think you don\'t care about actually perpetuating the sport and pushing stunt riding in a positive direction. Yamaha wants to see a rider who does whatever it takes to win and KEEP winning. Just because you worked your ass off to get where you are doesn\'t mean you get to stop and take a break and no one else will catch up to you. You have to KEEP paying your practice dues! \n \nIf you think you can do some amazing things on a bike and then coast for the rest of your life on "Hey I did that first," well, then I would have to start calling you Gixxie Jr. And no one wants to be seen like that (think about it for a second and you will realize that I am right). So please, keep working, keep up the amazing tricks and great riding and doing things first in this sport. And you will deserve everything you work for. That\'s all we really wanna see!!!! \n \nMuch Love. \r\n \r\n

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ROLMFA well i read threw this and was almost ready to reply with the reason you are wrong in every single way. then i set back a thought about who was typing it and thought it is not worth it. i dont have time for this GARBAGE!
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\nI havent been ignoring you, you havent called one time!
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[Guru]

\r\n \r\n ok lets all get ready to hate guru!!!
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\r\nOk brit... i like you!! i have known you for a while now..
\r\ni also know ken and brandy and think they are great riders!! as well i know bill and Dee and think they are great riders...
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\r\nnow all this bs drama over the tandem shit is getting retarded!!!
\r\nFirst off i didnt see any of the runs bc i was trying to get down there to film them but couldnt get on the track!! wish i could of so i could post vids and let the people talk for themselves.... no on has posted any vids so we all have to go by what people say.... i know bill and dee had some 20 tricks and pulled them all off!! i heard their run was sick as fuck!! as i heard ken and brandy and adams runs were sick!! now i also heard that ken and brandy had a crash!
\r\nright there that tells me they shouldnt win 1st!!! no matter what!!! a crash is a crash!! and unless you are doing the most sickest shit on the face of the planet you shouldnt be able to get first with a crash!!!
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\r\nthen you say bill and dee shouldnt win bc they did the same run they did in oct!!!
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\r\nomg now thats funny!! so all the riders that compete that do the same run almost to a T for qualify and finals should just get DQ\'d
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\r\nBrit i respect you!! i do think you are doing some good things for the motorcycles community!!
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\r\nbut i also remember when you came to stl and told all of us how you were going to start stunting and be so much better then jessiace maine and how you were ready to just kill it!! what happened to that girl?? the one who was super nice and was all about riding?? i have never seen you do tandem or ride a stunt bike... now saying that ... why should people listen to you?? why is it fair that you yell BULLSHIT when they get their trophy???
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\r\ni think everyone in the stunt community has shown you some respect! but how did you get into this community ?? you dont stunt!??
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\r\nso instead of coming on here and bitching about their runs or saying who should of won or lost!! why dont you go and start riding and push yourself and this sport to get better??
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\r\nremember i am just being a friend and being honest!! not trying to start more drama or hate!! im just so sick of all this bullshit!!!
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[Brit-a-tit-tit]

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by Guru\r\n \r\n \r\n ok lets all get ready to hate guru!!! \r\n \r\nOk brit... i like you!! i have known you for a while now.. \r\ni also know ken and brandy and think they are great riders!! as well i know bill and Dee and think they are great riders... \r\n \r\nnow all this bs drama over the tandem shit is getting retarded!!! \r\nFirst off i didnt see any of the runs bc i was trying to get down there to film them but couldnt get on the track!! wish i could of so i could post vids and let the people talk for themselves.... no on has posted any vids so we all have to go by what people say.... i know bill and dee had some 20 tricks and pulled them all off!! i heard their run was sick as fuck!! as i heard ken and brandy and adams runs were sick!! now i also heard that ken and brandy had a crash! \r\nright there that tells me they shouldnt win 1st!!! no matter what!!! a crash is a crash!! and unless you are doing the most sickest shit on the face of the planet you shouldnt be able to get first with a crash!!! \r\n \r\nthen you say bill and dee shouldnt win bc they did the same run they did in oct!!! \r\n \r\nomg now thats funny!! so all the riders that compete that do the same run almost to a T for qualify and finals should just get DQ\'d \r\n \r\nBrit i respect you!! i do think you are doing some good things for the motorcycles community!! \r\n \r\nbut i also remember when you came to stl and told all of us how you were going to start stunting and be so much better then jessiace maine and how you were ready to just kill it!! what happened to that girl?? the one who was super nice and was all about riding?? i have never seen you do tandem or ride a stunt bike... now saying that ... why should people listen to you?? why is it fair that you yell BULLSHIT when they get their trophy??? \r\n \r\ni think everyone in the stunt community has shown you some respect! but how did you get into this community ?? you dont stunt!?? \r\n \r\nso instead of coming on here and bitching about their runs or saying who should of won or lost!! why dont you go and start riding and push yourself and this sport to get better?? \r\n \r\nremember i am just being a friend and being honest!! not trying to start more drama or hate!! im just so sick of all this bullshit!!! \r\n \r\n \r\nCarry on!!! \r\n \r\n

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\r\nFirst of all, I had the courtesy to talk to Bill and Dee and you in private about all of this before Bill made it public on this forum. You have my number, I wish you would have done the same for me. But since you decided to bring this out in the open, I will follow your lead and reply.
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\r\nI NEVER said anywhere that Ken and Brandy should have won, i told you that in person and I stand by it today. I do not think that Bill and Dee rode BETTER than Brit and Adam OR Ken and Brandy. So check again before you say I pick a "winner" based on who my friends are.... I never said they should have WON. Besides, every stunt rider who has perfected a run still adds to it throughout the year. EVEN BILL adds to his runs everytime, EVERY TIME HE RIDES, exceot in tandem. How many riders did switchback wheelies, burnouts, or stoppies at SW this year? It\'s not just Bill anymore.
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\r\nWhy don\'t you ask Luke Duke, who had a practically FLAWLESS and EXCEPTIONAL 5-minute-long run, how it feels to get 4th place behind someone who blew up his engine with a minute to spare in his run.... Bill didn\'t even finish his run and he placed 3rd!
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\r\nI can make a very short list of how many stunt riders have shown me true "respect" as opposed to stunt riders who have kissed my ass when I had something to give them and then acted like jackasses once they were done getting what they wanted....
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\r\ncase in point: You are SOOOOO quick to ask me why I think I even belong in this community. Have you forgotten that you were all about being nice and making sure i got everything i needed when I was writing the story on Ride of the Century and the DVD release party for Super Street Bike? I even wrote to you after the event to make sure you liked the article. It was like pulling teeth to get you to talk to me after that. Awesome that you came to rockthegear.org to sign up for the free gear that I am giving away this year, but never even said hello to me at StuntWars until after I told Dee what I thought about their run and you wanted me to go apologize.
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\r\nIts amazing to me that almost every stuntrider i have ever come in contact with (save a few) have acted in the same way. An elite group of total disrespectful solcialites who think they deserve MUCH MORE than what they are willing to work for, who think that somehow the rest of the world owes them something and is not allowed to be in their inner circle unless they can actually stunt themselves.
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\r\nAsk me what else I have contributed to the sport, and I can give you a laundry list of things I have done to help riders and help perpetuate the sport in general.
\r\nWhy are you so important that I, who actually rides a sportbike, and have always been treated like family by all others who ride, get questioned when I want to help support stunt riding? Why will you take handouts with open arms and then question my validity the very next chance you get?
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\r\nWhy should people listen to me? Because I have been at almost every competition for 2 years now, and I am one of the only ones who got to see ALL the runs up close and personal. I know what is going on, a lot of these riders are my friends (usually when it is convenient for them) and know that I have watched and seen and learned enough to know what i am talking about. And check your facts, guru, i didn\'t yell BULLSHIT towards Bill and Dee, I yelled GARBAGE towards the judges. Bill was the one who yelled BULLSHIT when he realized that Zoltan was going to be given 1st place. But of course, I\'m the one who has no right to say anything because I don\'t stunt, I just give stunt riders gas money, and money to compete, and gear to compete in, and free places to stay, and good references with the gear companies I work with.
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\r\nTo be honest, I am tired of it all. You wanna know why I am not stunt riding? Because I couldn\'t afford to run a full-time safety campaign and put the time in that it takes to be a decent stunt rider. I had to sell my f4i because I couldn\'t pay rent. I did practice and I did suck and I did mousetrap and I did fall down and I did scrape up my cage... and it would have taken EVERYTHING I HAD to be a decent rider. So I decided that I would rather pursue something that is tangible right now, and with that I will help save some lives, and then maybe focus on learning to do a few stunts later. And I am ok with that...
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\r\nThe more I continue to support the riders who DO dedicate their time to stunting and DO ride hard and get hurt and need the money and sponsorship.... the more I find that stunt riding very well might turn everyone it touches into huge assholes (again, save a few) who screw over their friends when its convenient for them to get ahead. WHY WOULD I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT? - because I do love riding, and all aspects of it, and will help make it better until the day I die. So regardless of people who use and cheat and steal and stunt... I am not going anywhere. I will only support those who are dedicated to making this sport better, and that means mutual respect. Its something very hard to find in the super-cool-stunt-rider-club.\r\n

[Brit-a-tit-tit]

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by BILLD\r\n \r\n \r\n ROLMFA well i read threw this and was almost ready to reply with the reason you are wrong in every single way. then i set back a thought about who was typing it and thought it is not worth it. i dont have time for this GARBAGE! \r\n \r\nand you can pick your bike up anytime just call or text me and dad will get your bike out of the gardge and load it up when you pay him the money \r\n \r\nI havent been ignoring you, you havent called one time! \r\n \r\nbest regards.... \r\n \r\n

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You are right Bill, I am not worth it.
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\r\n Glad you thought the pictures I took of you at SW were worth using on your page though, and the photo credit was very nice of you to post.
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\r\nThis is why I don\'t understand you at all.... you are nice when I have something to give you, and aweful when I don\'t kiss your ass, but instead tell you how I feel HONESTLY as your friend who wants you to get BETTER. But that is all i will say because I will see you this weekend at Indy, when I give you and Dee your Valentine\'s Day present (that I made before I even knew you had written this about me). And we can talk then, and you will know how much that truly hurt me after all the apologies I made for making Dee cry. I said I didn\'t mean to hurt either of you, and nothing I said was hateful. I think I deserve at least that much in return.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by thomas\r\n \r\n \r\n \nwhats wrong with RAY RAY? \r\n \r\n

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\nI was wondering the same... He\'s probably the best announcer I\'ve heard so far........ after the one and only of course\r\n

[JUST_PRODUCING]

\r\n \r\n all i know is that Bill D. single handedly brought tandem riding to new levels back in 2005. he created tandem combos which are rediculous. anyone that pretends like he didnt is kidding themselves. i watched bill d do a 600 ft stoppies on the streets with gixxie on the bike around a turn coming off the highway with a police car right behind him......when he completed the stoppie and the cop rolled up on him the cop was so amazed that he simply said to bill "come on man dont do that with her on the back" \r\n

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\r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by JUST_PRODUCING\r\n \r\n \r\n all i know is that Bill D. single handedly brought tandem riding to new levels back in 2005. he created tandem combos which are rediculous. anyone that pretends like he didnt is kidding themselves. i watched bill d do a 600 ft stoppies on the streets with gixxie on the bike around a turn coming off the highway with a police car right behind him......when he completed the stoppie and the cop rolled up on him the cop was so amazed that he simply said to bill "come on man dont do that with her on the back" \r\n \r\n

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There is no such thing as SINGLE-HANDEDLY in tandem.... there are 2 people on the bike, that\'s the point here people. And doing stuff like that on the streets IS NOT GOING TO HELP THIS SPORT, contrary to popular belief, it only hurts everyone in the end.
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\r\nBill and Gixxie DID, however, TOGETHER bring enough attention to tandem to make it become more then just a girl-on-the-back and even started the competition factor.
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\r\nNow, Bill and Destiny, Ken and Brandy, Brit and Adam, Joel and Kelly, James and Lauren, Rome and Randy, etc.... are all trying to make this aspect of the sport MORE THAN JUST A SIDE SHOW. They can and will find the support they need, with or without the individual freestyle riders consent. If you all choose to support the changes and respect the movement, it only makes everyone look better. If you don\'t, it\'s not going to stop them, rest assured.\r\n

[BILLD]

SO THERES BEEN SOME BS GOING AROUND TOWARD DESTINY AND I LATELY ABOUT THE TANDEM COMPS AND OUR RIDING IN GENERAL..I AM GETTING SICK OF IT AND I GOTTA SAY MY PIECE!

I AM NOT SURE IF IT’S BECAUSE TANDEM HAS GIRLS INVOLVED IN IT AND YOU ALL ARE JUST BEING A BUNCHA IMMATURE WHINY ASS GIRLS OR IF IT’S THE TEAMS LITTLE FAN BASE THAT LIKE TO TALK SHIT BEHIND THE KEYBOARD. EITHER WAY IT’S ALL BULLSHIT!

IVE BEEN SPENDING MORE TIME ON MY INDIVIDUAL PRACTICE AND DEE HAS BEEN CONCENTRATING ON HER INDIVIDUAL RIDING… WE HAVENT BEEN PRACTICING CUZ IN MY OPINION I DON’T REALLY THINK WE NEED TOO.. WE PAID OUR PRACTICE DUES THE PAST 3 YEARS. TANDEM FOR DESTINY AND I IS A HOBBY WE JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT-AND ALL YOU PPL TALKING SHIT & HATING SAYING WE CANT RIDE OR WE DON’T EVEN COMPARE TO WHAT OTHER TEAMS ARE DOING…WTF.. ARE YOU PPL SERIOUS! YOU ARE ALL TAKING THE FUN OUT OF TANDEM! YOU BITCH AND COMPLAIN ABOUT JUDGING SAYING IT ALL POLITICS, BUT HAVE YOU ACTUALLY SAT DOWN AND ASK THEM HOW THEY JUDGE.. OR WHAT THE CRITERIA IS…THAT’S THE WAY WE BASE OUR RUN.. EVERY EVENT HAS DIFFERENT JUDGING. IVE BEEN RIDING TANDEM FOR 8 YEARS NOW AND THAT’S LONGER THAN MOST HAVE BEEN RIDING IN GENERAL SO THAT ALSO GIVES US AN ADVANTAGE.

DESTINY AND I PRACTICE 2-3 DAYS BEFORE A COMPETITION-GENERALLY USING THE SAME TRICKS WITH A FEW ADDED IN HERE OR THERE OR NEW VARIATIONS.WHILE SOME OF YOU MAY THINK A OTHER TEAMS TRICKS ARE SUPERIOUR TO OURS.. WE DON’T THINK SO AND NEITHER DO THE JUDGES…SO THERE FOR WE DON’T COPY AND USE OTHER TEAMS TRICKS..THAT’S JUST NOT MY STYLE! THERES A FEW OF THE SAME TRICKS WE ALL DO…WE DON’T WASTE OUR TIME DOING NONSENSE TRICKS LIKE FLAMINGO WHILE RIDING A BIKE AROUND OR DO USELESS ACROS THAT JUST TAKE UP TIME AND THAT ARE NOT IMPRESSIVE TO THE JUDGES OR THE CROWD!

SOMETIMES I ACTUALLY GET A CHANCE TO WATCH THE TANDEM RUNS AND I MUST SAY I DO GET IMPRESSED FROM TIME TO TIME BUT NOT TOO IMPRESSED! WE DO TRICKS SUCH AS TANDEM SWTICHBACK WHEELIES-EVEN IF THE WHEELIE ONLY COMES UP 3 FEET FOR 20 OR SO FEET.. ITS STILL ONE OF THE HARDEST TANDEM STUNTS OUT THERE AND WE ARE THE ONLY ONES DOING IT .. ALONG WITH DEE STANDING ON TOP OF MY HEADLIGHT WHY I AM WHEELING.. EVEN IF MY FOOTS DRAGGIN..IT STILL TAKES A LOT OF CONCENTRATION, BALANCE AND TEAM WORK.. OUR RUNS ARE ALWAYS HIGH SPEED..AND FULL OF ENERGY..WE ALWAYS TRY TO BE DOING SOMETHING.. NOT SETTING UP . CRAWLING OFF THE BIKE TO SET UP EVERY TRICK…YOU LOSE MORE POINT THAN YOU WOULD IMAGINE FOR STOPPING AND FIGURING OUR WHATS NEXT….MOST OF OUR STUNTS ARE VERY DIFFICULT.. NOT SAYING OTHER TEAMS STUNTS ARNT BUT WE HAVE MORE DIFFICULT STUNTS IN MY OPINION. I CAN SIT HERE AND LIST ALL OF OUR STUNTS BUT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WE DO I DON’T NEED TO LIST THEM.

SINCE ALL YOU HATERS WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE RIDE AND HOW WE DON’T DESERVE WHAT WE PLACE.. WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF PRACTICING OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS SO WE CAN SHOW YOU ALL WHY WE HAVE BEEN UNDISPUTED FOR TWO YEARS AND RUNNING.

DESTINY AND I HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT THE UPMOST RESPECT FOR ALL TEAMS REGUARDLESS OF PLACING AND HOW YOU RIDE. I AM NOT POSTING THIS TO HATE OR PUT DOWN ANY TEAMS BY ANY MEANS.. I AM JUST GETTING SICK OF THE TEAMS AND INDIVIDUALS TALKING DOWN ABOUT DESTINY AND I… WE SHOULD ALL HAVE RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER B/C WE ALL SHARE THE LOVE OF THE SPORT..
DESTINY AND I DONT GO BEHIND OTHER TEAMS BACKS AND TALK SHIT BECAUSE WE DIDN’T BEAT YOU..OR GO RUN OFF IN OUR LITTLE CLIQUES AND BITCH! WE NEVER DID THAT WHEN WE DIDN’T WIN…THAT’S JUST CHILDISH AND IMMATURE! WE JUST LET THAT BE MOTIVATION TO DO BETTER WHICH IS WHAT ALL THE OTHER TEAMS NEED TO DO.. I SUGGEST PUSHING YOUR RIDING PARTNERS TO GET BETTER AS INDIVIDUALS AND THEN USE THAT AND APPLY IT TO TANDEM- THAT’S WHAT DESTINY AND I DO AND THAT’S WHY WE DO SO WELL . NOT SAYING WE ALWAYS HAVE A FLAWLESS RUN.. BUT NEITHER DO THE OTHER TEAMS.. BUT EVERYONE PUTS ON A GOOD SHOW!

I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST OF LUCK IN THE FUTURE TANDEM COMPETITIONS.. RIDE SAFE