National Defense Authorization Acts s.1867

[h2]

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Originally Posted by *MeatballStunts* terrorists can be american citizens or anyone...

Sure, but as an American citizen, you had certain rights that you no longer have - due process, innocent until proven guilty, the right to an attorney, the right to remain silent, etc. So are you saying you're ok with the US being a police state? Please, understand what this means before you answer.

Also, "terrorism" is used very lightly here by our government. It could mean that someone who is protesting against the government and it's tyrannical ways, is now a "terrorist".

[loogie]

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Originally Posted by h2 Section 31 of bill S1867 allows the US military to detain US citizens indefinitely, without rights, if suspected of association with/terrorism. A summary would be, the US is now an open police state. Ironic, isn�t it, that �the war on terror� to make us safe ends in a police state with the government declaring the right to detain and even murder American citizens who it regards as a threat, therefore taking away our liberties. I hope the military revolts if it is ever expected to carry out this atrocity against it's countries citizens.

Well said and I couldnt agree more.The day when these things are actually carried out by our fellow countrymen will be a sad and evil day.This country and world needs God more than ever.

[*MeatballStunts*]

Tones gonna be killed by the government soon with his bomb in the mail and all now this....

[beardo]

those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve niether

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Originally Posted by loogie The day when these things are actually carried out by our fellow countrymen will be a sad and evil day.This country and world needs God more than ever.

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Originally Posted by beardo those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve niether

repped

[Stick]

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Originally Posted by h2 Obama has threatened to veto, but he won't......as it would mean political suicide for his 2012 race.

Nah, because if he doesn't veto it, people will be furious (rightly so). By vetoing it, he can use it as a campaigning point about how he acted to defend American's freedoms. They could easily spin it to make him a hero, of sorts.

[Teach]

it's all screwed up and imo beyond repair. no nation lasts more than a couple hundred years and eventually every nation will tumble...we are living in those times for america. may not happen today or tomorrow, but in our lifetime, shit is gonna hit the fan. ammo up!

[h2]

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Originally Posted by Stick Nah, because if he doesn't veto it, people will be furious (rightly so). By vetoing it, he can use it as a campaigning point about how he acted to defend American's freedoms. They could easily spin it to make him a hero, of sorts.

Mark my words, he will not veto this bill. Teach is right, AMMO UP! The 2nd amendment was created for our citizens to protect themselves against this kind of tyrannical government. This is nothing new, but....our fate will be decided by those Americans who are willing, or unwilling, to fight for their liberties. To you all, I say, please fight.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

[Jowilly08]

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Originally Posted by h2 Section 31 of bill S1867 allows the US military to detain US citizens indefinitely, without rights, if suspected of association with/terrorism. A summary would be, the US is now an open police state. Ironic, isn�t it, that �the war on terror� to make us safe ends in a police state with the government declaring the right to detain and even murder American citizens who it regards as a threat, therefore taking away our liberties. I hope the military revolts if it is ever expected to carry out this atrocity against it's countries citizens.

I actuallyknow a guy this happened too. He had the same First, middle, middle , and last name as a guy on the FBI Most wanted list right after 9/11. Listen to how this came to happen.

So this kid moves to a rural area outside of Kansas City (not saying town) who is from middle eastern heritage. Well, shortly after 9/11 a bunch of dumb fuck red neck kids decide they want to do their part in fighting terrorism. So these shit heads decided to beat the living shit out of this guy with a baseball bat.
While this guy is in the hospital getting reconstructive surgery done the hospital puts his name into the computers. Which somehow the FBI wound up finding (HIPAA violation). Well because of his name (Mind you he is a highschool student) they believe he is one of the leaders of an organization that planned the 9/11 attacks.
So the FBI arrested him with out charging him officially for three months while they could collect evidence for a case. About three months later they realized it was not him and released him.
They used the patriot act to justify this.

Fuck, I'm a white guy, from a not lowerclass, entirely white family, and I would not vote for these waco's who are trying to "defend" our nation by passing some of these laws which initially seem to favor the white middle-upper class or at least just persicute lower class minorities. However they are just screwing us all over in the long run.

"Get back in line citizen."

[trick]

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Originally Posted by Teach it's all screwed up and imo beyond repair. no nation lasts more than a couple hundred years and eventually every nation will tumble...we are living in those times for america. may not happen today or tomorrow, but in our lifetime, shit is gonna hit the fan. ammo up!

Im with you Chris...