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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by h2\r\n  \r\n Then why are you inserting your incorrect statements into this discussion? Cause youre obviously not educated on the matter at all.
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by h2\r\n \r\n Ive been in the healthcare field for 10 years, Ive seen the problems our healthcare industry faces FIRST HAND. You wanna know one reason healthcare is sooooo expensive? UNINSURED people recieving healthcare, and not paying for it. Who do you think pays for the care they recieve? ME, and my insurance company, thru the rate hikes, because of the $$ the hospitals/clinics are writing off.
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\r\nThis is NOT a bill for government ran healthcare. This is an INSURANCE BILL. It will require people to get coverage, or pay a fine. Thats just how it is, and I see nothing wrong with it. Why do you?
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\r\nWe cannot straighten this out thru a private system, it DOESNT WORK. Is the government the best solution.........? Its the only entity large and strong enough with the ability to do so. Do you have a better idea?
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\r\nAlso, this country is merely 200 years old. There are 300 million people living in this country. Change is inevitable. Yes, we were all born and raised into a free country. We\'re still free, trust me. Take a look at healthcare around the world, and tell me you would rather be anywhere else, even after the big bad government makes you get insurance to cover your own ass. \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\nOk you want to talk about insurance companys? \r\n \r\nFirst off tell them to quit being greedy bastards and start charging people a decent price from the get go and maybe uninsured people wouuld be able to afford it. Yet they try to gouge the price to make up for the people who won\'t with the suckers that will. \r\nEveryone has seen a medical bill when you get it after ur insurance covers it. 60% adjustment for having insurance then your insurance handles 80% of that and ur left with ur amount. I mean really? come the fuck on. If you can break off 40-60% off the top then your doing something wrong. Insurance companies should just charge what they charge if you have insurance because in fact your not paying insurance to take care of that adjustment. Your insurance is there to cover your part and they say that shit ain\'t worth what the company is charging then guess what its not worth it. end of story? \r\n \r\nNow you put that to people who are already hurting for money and get the astronomical bills of course there is not reason to even pay on a 4 grand bill. 2 grand may be more reasonable to make payments on. Thats why people say fuck their medical bills. Sticker shock my friends. \r\n \r\nThats one solution. How about another idea? Telling the people how much its going to cost UP FRONT. I would assume over half of the defaults on medical bills are bullshit procedures and if people knew what the cost was out the gate they would suffer that tooth ache/headache/backache and get on with it. \r\n \r\nSo don\'t give me this we can\'t fix it because we\'re too lazy to try new options before we just give it to big brother because he "fixes" all. \r\n \r\n  and you quote the insanity definition. Now turn that on yourself. Did handing the government our banking system save us? Indeed it did not. Did handing the government the automobile industry? Once again no. Those are just a few recent follies. \r\n \r\nAnd I have looked around the world. The dollar is decreasing in value, we are no longer an industry leader, we have little exports left, our economy is down, we owe huge debt to one of the biggest communist nations and on top of that these radical polititians are pulling us more and more towards socialist beliefs. Canada is looking more and more inviting. \r\n \r\nNo i know there are tons of people who are going to talk shit about that. I LOVE AMERICA. I don\'t love what ignorant, lazy, and selfish people are doing to it. This is not the america I want my son to grow up in.\r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by T-Dubby\r\n \r\n Ummmmm maybe because this is a public forum Yeah I\'m not educated on it because honestly i have better things to do with my time than keep up with political mumbojumbo and things i have no control over.. | \r\n \r\n \r\n \n/INSERT FACEPALM!!!!!!!!! \n \nIt being a public forum has nothing to do with it. Someone asked what happened, and you gave them completely FALSE information........just sayin\'.\r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by h2\r\n \r\n Ive been in the healthcare field for 10 years, Ive seen the problems our healthcare industry faces FIRST HAND. You wanna know one reason healthcare is sooooo expensive? UNINSURED people recieving healthcare, and not paying for it. Who do you think pays for the care they recieve? ME, and my insurance company, thru the rate hikes, because of the $$ the hospitals/clinics are writing off.
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\nWe cannot straighten this out thru a private system, it DOESNT WORK. Is the government the best solution.........? Its the only entity large and strong enough with the ability to do so. Do you have a better idea?
\nRemember this tho....Insanity: repeating the same procedure, expecting different results.
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\nAlso, this country is merely 200 years old. There are 300 million people living in this country. Change is inevitable. Yes, we were all born and raised into a free country. We\'re still free, trust me. Take a look at healthcare around the world, and tell me you would rather be anywhere else, even after the big bad government makes you get insurance to cover your own ass. \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n You missy have been rep\'d!  \r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by 636squid\r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n Squid, are you honestly getting your talking points from Youtube videos? Seriously? \n \nIf you want to do some serious research, I will give you some credible links to go to.\r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by StrictlyStunt\r\n \r\n Key details of the bill\n \n The plan, according to CBO projections, will cut budget deficits by more than $1 trillion in its second decade. \n It will subsidize insurance for a family of four making up to about $88,000 annually, or 400 percent of the federal poverty level. \n It also creates a series of health insurance exchanges designed to make it easier for small businesses, the self-employed and the unemployed to pool resources and purchase less expensive coverage. \n Medicaid will be significantly expanded, ensuring coverage to those earning up to 133 percent of the poverty level, or just over $29,000 for a family of four. \n The bill cuts projected Medicare spending by roughly $500 billion, in part through reductions in the Medicare Advantage program. Democratic leaders have promised the reductions will not affect service to Medicare recipients. \n The bill hikes Medicare payroll taxes on families making more than $250,000. \n Starting in 2013, it also imposes a 40 percent tax on insurance companies providing "Cadillac" health plans valued at more than $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families. \n Proponents of the tax on high-end plans say it\'s one of the most effective ways to curb medical inflation. However, many Democrats oppose taxing such policies because it would hurt union members who traded higher salaries for more generous health benefits. \n If the compromise bill becomes law, the threshold for imposing the Cadillac tax will be raised to health plans valued at more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. \n The tax won\'t kick in until 2018. \n \n^ \n http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/...e.main/?hpt=T1\n \n \nI stil do not understand it completely. But I plan on being self employed soon and so far it seems better for small businesses. As of now i work for a large company with great benifits so im not to worried about any change. But I am with Thomas... I would rather see bad change then no change at all. Gotta do something. \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n So let me get your point of view straight. You plan on taking a chance with your hard earned money that you\'ve saved up over the past few years. You are going to gamble with your family\'s future and jump into the free market system and try to make a name for your self. Now if you do make it and become successful ($250,000 and year), you think it\'s fair for the government to TAKE more of your hard earned MONEY and GIVE it to someone who is LAZY and has no drive to go out and work hard for their well being? \nHeath care is a privilege not a right. If you produce in society, you get rewarded with privileges, i.e. food, shelter, transportation, healthcare..... under the current system, the terminally ill and mentally ill are ALREADY covered. \n \ninteresting read..... \n http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.c...t-it-100m.html\r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by MVSBrendon\r\n \r\n Heath care is a privilege not a right. \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n \nYou have no idea what this country was founded on, WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!! I love how everyone says why give to the lazy fucks who don\'t want to work, yet the people most effected by healthcare right now are the MIDDLE working class who are being bullied and pushed out of good healthcare by major corporations, not "lazy fucks" who don\'t want to work. Also what about the women raising kids working 2 jobs yet still can\'t afford healthcare yet makes to much for assistance, I gues she\'s just fucked because she wasn\'t PRIVILEGED enough.\r\n
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\r\n \r\n I\'m probably gonna get mad hate for this....... but I"m just gonna say it and if people don\'t like it tough shit.......... \n \n"MANDATORY DRUG TESTING for any gov\'t housing/health care/ monetary subsidies relating to such necessities. Also, any felony convictions by a JURY OF PEERS would result in an immediate termination of benefits." \n \nJust my weak ass  , take it or leave it. \r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by 636squid\r\n \r\n You have no idea what this country was founded on, WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!! I love how everyone says why give to the lazy fucks who don\'t want to work, yet the people most effected by healthcare right now are the MIDDLE working class who are being bullied and pushed out of good healthcare by major corporations, not "lazy fucks" who don\'t want to work. Also what about the women raising kids working 2 jobs yet still can\'t afford healthcare yet makes to much for assistance, I gues she\'s just fucked because she wasn\'t PRIVILEGED enough. \r\n \r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n \n \nYou ever waited in a welfare line? you ever been on food stamps? I work in public housing a lot and see people on WELFARE with 52" LCD hanging on their walls!!! Figure that one out genius....\r\n
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\r\n \r\n \r\n Quote: \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by Outlaw Society\r\n \r\n I\'m probably gonna get mad hate for this....... but I"m just gonna say it and if people don\'t like it tough shit.......... \n \n"MANDATORY DRUG TESTING for any gov\'t housing/health care/ monetary subsidies relating to such necessities. Also, any felony convictions by a JURY OF PEERS would result in an immediate termination of benefits." \n \nJust my weak ass , take it or leave it. | \r\n \r\n \r\n Agree 100% but you\'ll never see it...... the incumbents need their votes.... Welfare keeps the public in need of the government..... slavery at it\'s best.\r\n
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