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\r\nFirst of all, I had the courtesy to talk to Bill and Dee and you in private about all of this before Bill made it public on this forum. You have my number, I wish you would have done the same for me. But since you decided to bring this out in the open, I will follow your lead and reply.
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\r\nI NEVER said anywhere that Ken and Brandy should have won, i told you that in person and I stand by it today. I do not think that Bill and Dee rode BETTER than Brit and Adam OR Ken and Brandy. So check again before you say I pick a "winner" based on who my friends are.... I never said they should have WON. Besides, every stunt rider who has perfected a run still adds to it throughout the year. EVEN BILL adds to his runs everytime, EVERY TIME HE RIDES, exceot in tandem. How many riders did switchback wheelies, burnouts, or stoppies at SW this year? It\'s not just Bill anymore.
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\r\nWhy don\'t you ask Luke Duke, who had a practically FLAWLESS and EXCEPTIONAL 5-minute-long run, how it feels to get 4th place behind someone who blew up his engine with a minute to spare in his run.... Bill didn\'t even finish his run and he placed 3rd!
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\r\nI can make a very short list of how many stunt riders have shown me true "respect" as opposed to stunt riders who have kissed my ass when I had something to give them and then acted like jackasses once they were done getting what they wanted....
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\r\ncase in point: You are SOOOOO quick to ask me why I think I even belong in this community. Have you forgotten that you were all about being nice and making sure i got everything i needed when I was writing the story on Ride of the Century and the DVD release party for Super Street Bike? I even wrote to you after the event to make sure you liked the article. It was like pulling teeth to get you to talk to me after that. Awesome that you came to rockthegear.org to sign up for the free gear that I am giving away this year, but never even said hello to me at StuntWars until after I told Dee what I thought about their run and you wanted me to go apologize.
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\r\nIts amazing to me that almost every stuntrider i have ever come in contact with (save a few) have acted in the same way. An elite group of total disrespectful solcialites who think they deserve MUCH MORE than what they are willing to work for, who think that somehow the rest of the world owes them something and is not allowed to be in their inner circle unless they can actually stunt themselves.
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\r\nAsk me what else I have contributed to the sport, and I can give you a laundry list of things I have done to help riders and help perpetuate the sport in general.
\r\nWhy are you so important that I, who actually rides a sportbike, and have always been treated like family by all others who ride, get questioned when I want to help support stunt riding? Why will you take handouts with open arms and then question my validity the very next chance you get?
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\r\nWhy should people listen to me? Because I have been at almost every competition for 2 years now, and I am one of the only ones who got to see ALL the runs up close and personal. I know what is going on, a lot of these riders are my friends (usually when it is convenient for them) and know that I have watched and seen and learned enough to know what i am talking about. And check your facts, guru, i didn\'t yell BULLSHIT towards Bill and Dee, I yelled GARBAGE towards the judges. Bill was the one who yelled BULLSHIT when he realized that Zoltan was going to be given 1st place. But of course, I\'m the one who has no right to say anything because I don\'t stunt, I just give stunt riders gas money, and money to compete, and gear to compete in, and free places to stay, and good references with the gear companies I work with.
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\r\nTo be honest, I am tired of it all. You wanna know why I am not stunt riding? Because I couldn\'t afford to run a full-time safety campaign and put the time in that it takes to be a decent stunt rider. I had to sell my f4i because I couldn\'t pay rent. I did practice and I did suck and I did mousetrap and I did fall down and I did scrape up my cage... and it would have taken EVERYTHING I HAD to be a decent rider. So I decided that I would rather pursue something that is tangible right now, and with that I will help save some lives, and then maybe focus on learning to do a few stunts later. And I am ok with that...
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\r\nThe more I continue to support the riders who DO dedicate their time to stunting and DO ride hard and get hurt and need the money and sponsorship.... the more I find that stunt riding very well might turn everyone it touches into huge assholes (again, save a few) who screw over their friends when its convenient for them to get ahead. WHY WOULD I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT? - because I do love riding, and all aspects of it, and will help make it better until the day I die. So regardless of people who use and cheat and steal and stunt... I am not going anywhere. I will only support those who are dedicated to making this sport better, and that means mutual respect. Its something very hard to find in the super-cool-stunt-rider-club.\r\n
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\r\n | \r\n \r\n \r\n Originally Posted by Guru\r\n \r\n  \r\n ok lets all get ready to hate guru!!! \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\nOk brit... i like you!! i have known you for a while now.. \r\ni also know ken and brandy and think they are great riders!! as well i know bill and Dee and think they are great riders... \r\n \r\nnow all this bs drama over the tandem shit is getting retarded!!! \r\nFirst off i didnt see any of the runs bc i was trying to get down there to film them but couldnt get on the track!! wish i could of so i could post vids and let the people talk for themselves.... no on has posted any vids so we all have to go by what people say.... i know bill and dee had some 20 tricks and pulled them all off!! i heard their run was sick as fuck!! as i heard ken and brandy and adams runs were sick!! now i also heard that ken and brandy had a crash! \r\nright there that tells me they shouldnt win 1st!!! no matter what!!! a crash is a crash!! and unless you are doing the most sickest shit on the face of the planet you shouldnt be able to get first with a crash!!! \r\n \r\nthen you say bill and dee shouldnt win bc they did the same run they did in oct!!! \r\n \r\nomg now thats funny!! so all the riders that compete that do the same run almost to a T for qualify and finals should just get DQ\'d \r\n \r\nBrit i respect you!! i do think you are doing some good things for the motorcycles community!! \r\n \r\nbut i also remember when you came to stl and told all of us how you were going to start stunting and be so much better then jessiace maine and how you were ready to just kill it!! what happened to that girl?? the one who was super nice and was all about riding?? i have never seen you do tandem or ride a stunt bike... now saying that ... why should people listen to you?? why is it fair that you yell BULLSHIT when they get their trophy??? \r\n \r\ni think everyone in the stunt community has shown you some respect! but how did you get into this community ?? you dont stunt!?? \r\n \r\nso instead of coming on here and bitching about their runs or saying who should of won or lost!! why dont you go and start riding and push yourself and this sport to get better?? \r\n \r\nremember i am just being a friend and being honest!! not trying to start more drama or hate!! im just so sick of all this bullshit!!! \r\n \r\n \r\nCarry on!!! | \r\n
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\r\nFirst of all, I had the courtesy to talk to Bill and Dee and you in private about all of this before Bill made it public on this forum. You have my number, I wish you would have done the same for me. But since you decided to bring this out in the open, I will follow your lead and reply.
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\r\nI NEVER said anywhere that Ken and Brandy should have won, i told you that in person and I stand by it today. I do not think that Bill and Dee rode BETTER than Brit and Adam OR Ken and Brandy. So check again before you say I pick a "winner" based on who my friends are.... I never said they should have WON. Besides, every stunt rider who has perfected a run still adds to it throughout the year. EVEN BILL adds to his runs everytime, EVERY TIME HE RIDES, exceot in tandem. How many riders did switchback wheelies, burnouts, or stoppies at SW this year? It\'s not just Bill anymore.
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\r\nWhy don\'t you ask Luke Duke, who had a practically FLAWLESS and EXCEPTIONAL 5-minute-long run, how it feels to get 4th place behind someone who blew up his engine with a minute to spare in his run.... Bill didn\'t even finish his run and he placed 3rd!
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\r\nI can make a very short list of how many stunt riders have shown me true "respect" as opposed to stunt riders who have kissed my ass when I had something to give them and then acted like jackasses once they were done getting what they wanted....
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\r\ncase in point: You are SOOOOO quick to ask me why I think I even belong in this community. Have you forgotten that you were all about being nice and making sure i got everything i needed when I was writing the story on Ride of the Century and the DVD release party for Super Street Bike? I even wrote to you after the event to make sure you liked the article. It was like pulling teeth to get you to talk to me after that. Awesome that you came to rockthegear.org to sign up for the free gear that I am giving away this year, but never even said hello to me at StuntWars until after I told Dee what I thought about their run and you wanted me to go apologize.
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\r\nIts amazing to me that almost every stuntrider i have ever come in contact with (save a few) have acted in the same way. An elite group of total disrespectful solcialites who think they deserve MUCH MORE than what they are willing to work for, who think that somehow the rest of the world owes them something and is not allowed to be in their inner circle unless they can actually stunt themselves.
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\r\nAsk me what else I have contributed to the sport, and I can give you a laundry list of things I have done to help riders and help perpetuate the sport in general.
\r\nWhy are you so important that I, who actually rides a sportbike, and have always been treated like family by all others who ride, get questioned when I want to help support stunt riding? Why will you take handouts with open arms and then question my validity the very next chance you get?
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\r\nWhy should people listen to me? Because I have been at almost every competition for 2 years now, and I am one of the only ones who got to see ALL the runs up close and personal. I know what is going on, a lot of these riders are my friends (usually when it is convenient for them) and know that I have watched and seen and learned enough to know what i am talking about. And check your facts, guru, i didn\'t yell BULLSHIT towards Bill and Dee, I yelled GARBAGE towards the judges. Bill was the one who yelled BULLSHIT when he realized that Zoltan was going to be given 1st place. But of course, I\'m the one who has no right to say anything because I don\'t stunt, I just give stunt riders gas money, and money to compete, and gear to compete in, and free places to stay, and good references with the gear companies I work with.
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\r\nTo be honest, I am tired of it all. You wanna know why I am not stunt riding? Because I couldn\'t afford to run a full-time safety campaign and put the time in that it takes to be a decent stunt rider. I had to sell my f4i because I couldn\'t pay rent. I did practice and I did suck and I did mousetrap and I did fall down and I did scrape up my cage... and it would have taken EVERYTHING I HAD to be a decent rider. So I decided that I would rather pursue something that is tangible right now, and with that I will help save some lives, and then maybe focus on learning to do a few stunts later. And I am ok with that...
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\r\nThe more I continue to support the riders who DO dedicate their time to stunting and DO ride hard and get hurt and need the money and sponsorship.... the more I find that stunt riding very well might turn everyone it touches into huge assholes (again, save a few) who screw over their friends when its convenient for them to get ahead. WHY WOULD I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT? - because I do love riding, and all aspects of it, and will help make it better until the day I die. So regardless of people who use and cheat and steal and stunt... I am not going anywhere. I will only support those who are dedicated to making this sport better, and that means mutual respect. Its something very hard to find in the super-cool-stunt-rider-club.\r\n