My Grandfather is loaded and he's the most honest man I know. He worked his ass off, invested in his own business, and saved 10% of his income until he was ready to retire. He's not a crook.

I like you phoze I got 3 things for you. 1. If its so easy to get rich and if you have the bank schemes figured out why arn't you a richie? 2. If you get a loan and default do you think you can really come back and just get another loan at the bank next year? You go bankrupt you won't get another one. 3. If you think you can whip out a company card whenever and pay for dinners and write it off, your high. That only leads to more audits. Wait until you get audited and you have a guy sitting there going through every receipt you have from the state.

I Grew up middle class. After seeing how people "abuse" the use of welfare and other government assistance, it makes me sick. I went to lincoln tech and now in 33 grand in debt. Uncle sam told me I made to much the year before when i was in high school ($3800 doll hairs) to qualify for any of it. yet I had kids that had free college, living, and food from government assistance in indy and they NEVER went to class after the first few months.

I'd rather my money go to the "rich" people (to make more jobs, invest in there business, the list goes on lol)than to the bastards that dont care nor want to work. "rich" people make jobs. Give a bum 100 bucks every two weeks and he is still just a bum.

Phoze you missed the whole point, of course I don't think welfare recipients are the cause of all our issues, read the first post again and maybe you will get what I was saying.

I certainly don't think the rich are all evil either, that's as asinine as saying anyone who believes otherwise is a bitch. Now that the conversation has been lowered to name calling I think I will make this my last post here..lol