\r\n Originally Posted by h2\r\n \r\n

Then why are you inserting your incorrect statements into this discussion? Cause youre obviously not educated on the matter at all.
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\r\n Originally Posted by h2\r\n \r\n

Ive been in the healthcare field for 10 years, Ive seen the problems our healthcare industry faces FIRST HAND. You wanna know one reason healthcare is sooooo expensive? UNINSURED people recieving healthcare, and not paying for it. Who do you think pays for the care they recieve? ME, and my insurance company, thru the rate hikes, because of the $$ the hospitals/clinics are writing off.
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\r\nThis is NOT a bill for government ran healthcare. This is an INSURANCE BILL. It will require people to get coverage, or pay a fine. Thats just how it is, and I see nothing wrong with it. Why do you?
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\r\nWe cannot straighten this out thru a private system, it DOESNT WORK. Is the government the best solution.........? Its the only entity large and strong enough with the ability to do so. Do you have a better idea?
\r\nRemember this tho....Insanity: repeating the same procedure, expecting different results.
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\r\nAlso, this country is merely 200 years old. There are 300 million people living in this country. Change is inevitable. Yes, we were all born and raised into a free country. We\'re still free, trust me. Take a look at healthcare around the world, and tell me you would rather be anywhere else, even after the big bad government makes you get insurance to cover your own ass.

\r\n Originally Posted by T-Dubby\r\n \r\n

Ummmmm maybe because this is a public forumYeah I\'m not educated on it because honestly i have better things to do with my time than keep up with political mumbojumbo and things i have no control over..

\r\n Originally Posted by h2\r\n \r\n

Ive been in the healthcare field for 10 years, Ive seen the problems our healthcare industry faces FIRST HAND. You wanna know one reason healthcare is sooooo expensive? UNINSURED people recieving healthcare, and not paying for it. Who do you think pays for the care they recieve? ME, and my insurance company, thru the rate hikes, because of the $$ the hospitals/clinics are writing off.
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\nThis is NOT a bill for government ran healthcare. This is an INSURANCE BILL. It will require people to get coverage, or pay a fine. Thats just how it is, and I see nothing wrong with it. Why do you?
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\nWe cannot straighten this out thru a private system, it DOESNT WORK. Is the government the best solution.........? Its the only entity large and strong enough with the ability to do so. Do you have a better idea?
\nRemember this tho....Insanity: repeating the same procedure, expecting different results.
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\nAlso, this country is merely 200 years old. There are 300 million people living in this country. Change is inevitable. Yes, we were all born and raised into a free country. We\'re still free, trust me. Take a look at healthcare around the world, and tell me you would rather be anywhere else, even after the big bad government makes you get insurance to cover your own ass.

\r\n Originally Posted by 636squid\r\n \r\n

The free market isn\'t what it used to be, this country is ran by a handfull of corporations. Being ran by only a few corporations isn\'t exactly a good free market, it\'s a horrible one in fact. I support the healthcare reform as well, but the free market is what is destroying things. I think there needs to be reform and regulation through out. A few good examples of what the free market has done.
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\nYouTube- USA Lobby in The Food Industry - Part 1
\nYouTube- USA Lobby in The Food Industry - Part 2
\nYouTube- American Drug War the last White hope 1
\nYouTube- American Drug War the last White hope 2
\nYouTube- American Drug War the last White hope 3
\nYouTube- American Drug War the last White hope 4
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\nTheres more but these are a few examples of what GREED creates.

\r\n Originally Posted by StrictlyStunt\r\n \r\n

Key details of the bill
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\n The plan, according to CBO projections, will cut budget deficits by more than $1 trillion in its second decade.
\n It will subsidize insurance for a family of four making up to about $88,000 annually, or 400 percent of the federal poverty level.
\n It also creates a series of health insurance exchanges designed to make it easier for small businesses, the self-employed and the unemployed to pool resources and purchase less expensive coverage.
\n Medicaid will be significantly expanded, ensuring coverage to those earning up to 133 percent of the poverty level, or just over $29,000 for a family of four.
\n The bill cuts projected Medicare spending by roughly $500 billion, in part through reductions in the Medicare Advantage program. Democratic leaders have promised the reductions will not affect service to Medicare recipients.
\n The bill hikes Medicare payroll taxes on families making more than $250,000.
\n Starting in 2013, it also imposes a 40 percent tax on insurance companies providing "Cadillac" health plans valued at more than $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families.
\n Proponents of the tax on high-end plans say it\'s one of the most effective ways to curb medical inflation. However, many Democrats oppose taxing such policies because it would hurt union members who traded higher salaries for more generous health benefits.
\n If the compromise bill becomes law, the threshold for imposing the Cadillac tax will be raised to health plans valued at more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.
\n The tax won\'t kick in until 2018.
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\nhttp://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/...e.main/?hpt=T1
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\nI stil do not understand it completely. But I plan on being self employed soon and so far it seems better for small businesses. As of now i work for a large company with great benifits so im not to worried about any change. But I am with Thomas... I would rather see bad change then no change at all. Gotta do something.

\r\n Originally Posted by MVSBrendon\r\n \r\n

Heath care is a privilege not a right.

\r\n Originally Posted by 636squid\r\n \r\n

You have no idea what this country was founded on, WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!! I love how everyone says why give to the lazy fucks who don\'t want to work, yet the people most effected by healthcare right now are the MIDDLE working class who are being bullied and pushed out of good healthcare by major corporations, not "lazy fucks" who don\'t want to work. Also what about the women raising kids working 2 jobs yet still can\'t afford healthcare yet makes to much for assistance, I gues she\'s just fucked because she wasn\'t PRIVILEGED enough.

\r\n Originally Posted by Outlaw Society\r\n \r\n

I\'m probably gonna get mad hate for this....... but I"m just gonna say it and if people don\'t like it tough shit..........
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\n"MANDATORY DRUG TESTING for any gov\'t housing/health care/ monetary subsidies relating to such necessities. Also, any felony convictions by a JURY OF PEERS would result in an immediate termination of benefits."
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\nJust my weak ass , take it or leave it.